No Cable, No Debate

posted by elmos on Oct 2, 2008 8:08 PM PDT

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posted October 2, 2008 8:08 PM PDT

Until tomorrow when it's on Hulu. Has anyone watched the madness? How bad did each of them do?
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posted October 2, 2008 8:11 PM PDT

whats that
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posted October 2, 2008 8:11 PM PDT

whosawhat?
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posted October 2, 2008 8:12 PM PDT

hulu
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posted October 2, 2008 8:14 PM PDT

hulu.com, free online stream of tv shows and media stuff. It's for those of us too cheap to pay for both high speed internet and cable tv.

I love it. I don't have to wait for downloads to finish so I can watch episodes of colbert and daily show anymore.

The only catch is you have to watch 3 30 second commercials placed intermittently through the program.
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posted October 2, 2008 9:11 PM PDT

it was ok. they both did pretty well. biden was very cordial and palin didn't make any crazy blunders. she was off-question a few times, and biden got a little teary at one point, but they both did better than most people thought they would. you could probably say palin did a LOT better than most people expected.

all in all, kind of boring.
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posted October 3, 2008 7:15 AM PDT

I was a little disturbed by Palin's response to the nuclear weapons question:

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PALIN: Nuclear weaponry, of course, would be the be all, end all of just too many people in too many parts of our planet, so those dangerous regimes, again, cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, period.

Our nuclear weaponry here in the U.S. is used as a deterrent. And that's a safe, stable way to use nuclear weaponry.


What?

And I was also dismayed by how often she dodged questions. And those god damn folksy terms she kept injecting into her speech. "gee whiz" or "doggone"...

And it was really easy to tell when she was reciting a well coached talking point, because what she was saying actually made sense. The one that really pissed me off was harping on the Obama/Biden ticket for "looking backwards" and "placing blame." First of all, if there are things that have happened in the past eight years under a republican administration that need to be changed, YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT. Second of all, how fucking myopic is it to only want to look forward without consideration for what got you to your present situation? (or what caused global warming for that matter)

As for Biden, I thought he did well, but was too eager to pat himself on the back for congressional accomplishments.
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posted October 3, 2008 8:22 AM PDT

was biden's teary moment slightly forced? i honestly couldn't tell. even if it wasn't, it seemed like a planned statement by him.

biden, as expected, is a way better public speaker and debater... but yeah, like rah said, palin did a lot better than expected. you could tell for the first 20 minutes or so she was really nervous though.
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posted October 3, 2008 8:38 AM PDT

Live coverage on NPR last night. No cable needed.

She held her own. She may have even slightly resuscitated her image. If you want to call a victory, I'd call it for Biden, but it was definitely not a knockout.

All the golly goshing and darn its made her sound like she wanted to sit America on her knee and tell it a story.
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posted October 3, 2008 9:01 AM PDT

What it seems like I'm seeing (not necessarily from you guys) is exactly what I saw when Bush debated Gore in 2000. People expected him to fuck up, but he didn't, so they rated his performance much higher than he probably deserved.
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posted October 3, 2008 9:16 AM PDT

I'll inject my own unique form of analysis now.

Biden looks like the scary old woman that glides across the floor in House on Haunted Hill starring Vincent Price. Palin's impersonation of Frances McDormand from Fargo is flawless. This being October, edge to Biden.
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posted October 3, 2008 11:11 AM PDT

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Originally posted by owen on October 3, 2008 8:22 AM PDT

was biden's teary moment slightly forced? i honestly couldn't tell. even if it wasn't, it seemed like a planned statement by him.

biden, as expected, is a way better public speaker and debater... but yeah, like rah said, palin did a lot better than expected. you could tell for the first 20 minutes or so she was really nervous though.


i'm really not sure about biden's choking up -- i'm a little skeptical because i'd heard he choked up during a campaign speech the other day when he was talking about his son, and he had actually told a commentator that he was embarrassed about it and wouldn't let it happen again. but then it happened again. i suppose he could just be very emotional about his son being deployed (i would be). who knows.

palin made ME nervous at the beginning of the debate last night -- i actually found myself holding my breath for her. she relaxed about 20 minutes in though.

i can't believe she wasn't made to answer more of the questions asked though -- not that the questions were all that great. i hate to say it, because i like gwen ifill a lot normally, but her questions were softballs.
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posted October 3, 2008 11:44 AM PDT

Well... it was a VP debate after all. They really didn't debate each other, just mostly each other's primary.
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posted October 3, 2008 11:53 AM PDT

i can't resist:
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posted October 3, 2008 4:28 PM PDT

I haven't had the time for hulu watching, but it sounds like Palin did what I did for classes I didn't give two shits about: get to the last two weeks of the semester, study my ass off, and pass said class with a decent grade.

In the end, though, I still did not have a good grasp of the material I crammed into my brain, and now I've probably forgotten it.
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